William The Coroner’s Forensic Files

Tuesday, 20, April, 2010

What They Said

Filed under: Links to Greatness,Politics — williamthecoroner @ 22:37

I was sitting around with a bunch of people the other day.  Educated, intelligent, cultured people, older men mostly, and they were casting nastursiums at Libertarians, and Tea Party types.  The gist of which was if you accept any government services at all, you’re a hypocrite.  I said nothing in this situation, as I was a guest, and I’m working on the filter between my mouth and my brain.

The good thing is when other smart folks articulate what you’re thinking better than you do.  It helps you crystallize your thoughts.  It’s also a blow to the ego, but I’ll get over it.

Blunt Object had some good points about libertarianism, and he and I share similar views.  Mainly, I fear government power more than I fear large corporations; I can avoid companies but I cannot say “No, thanks, that’s enough government, you can stop now” without having conversations with armed agents of the state.  AEpilot Jim makes some good points about Tea Party People, and folks who use “working class” as a slur.



  1. […] “if a libertarian takes anything from the government, s/h/it’s a hypocrite” in this post by William the Coroner.  Those combined with a bit of fine beer to set some gears in motion, and I’m prompted to […]

    Pingback by Let’s try to summarize a little « Blunt Object — Wednesday, 21, April, 2010 @ 01:21 | Reply

  2. “The gist of which was if you accept any government services at all, you’re a hypocrite.”

    If a big chunk of your party’s appeal is based on rejection of the nanny state and government handouts, yes, the hypocrisy detector kicks in. Then there’s the fact that so many of them seemed to have slept through the Bush administration.

    Comment by Shay — Wednesday, 21, April, 2010 @ 20:35 | Reply

  3. One of my favorite quotes vis a vis the government is: “I need someone to protect me from all the measures they take in order to protect me.” (Banksy) Truer and truer.

    Comment by Anne Bonney — Thursday, 22, April, 2010 @ 08:16 | Reply

  4. I wonder, though, can you really avoid companies/corporations? At least without regulation? I like to think I, too, have a choice, but then when I meet people who represent the really big companies, and realize how insidiously involved in the fabric of society some of them either are or are trying to be, whether through simple product placement or hopping in bed with government, it makes me question my actual freedom to avoid a particular company if I should so choose.

    I’m not sold on the idea of regulation, either, but it’s just something I chew on now and again.

    Comment by Chilimuffin — Thursday, 22, April, 2010 @ 08:39 | Reply

    • Avoiding unregulated companies is harder than avoiding regulated ones. If I want to avoid Starbucks because I object to their stifling creeping-encroachment growth pattern, I can’t really close my eyes as I walk through downtown Vancouver — but I can buy my coffee at a local shop, and make sure they don’t get any of my money. If I want to avoid giving GM money because I think that advertising body-on-frame SUVs with high centres of mass as “safer alternatives to minivans” is sleazy… I can’t, because my government will take my money and give it to them, all in the name of regulating the auto industry.

      The problem with regulating large corporations is that those same corporations have enough political clout to influence and undermine the regulations, and every reason to do so. Simply axing the whole body of regulation overnight would probably send the wrong signal (“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”); a decent compromise might be simpler (harder to game) regulation that’s smaller in scope (less power in the regs means less incentive for people to game them). Cover just the aspects that’re really important — crash safety, for example — rather than special cases for everything that might one day become a problem.

      Comment by bluntobject — Thursday, 22, April, 2010 @ 13:55

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